he knows that. that's why he is saying that self-preservation. in the case of orrin hatch, he worked very, very hard for a lot of months to try to avoid what is happening, but ultimately, he will probably end up winning that seat again, and it's because somebody who worked -- you know this, candy, better than anybody. he worked for years across the aisle. the past year or so, two years, he has moved so far to the right, you wouldn't recognize him, and that's self-preservation. >> would you agree? it's interesting to me because i think i looked at the orrin hatch numbers. if he had gotten 60%, he wouldn't have had to have this primary runoff. he came darn close. 42 votes away, i think. i think it's an easing of the tea party influence, but others say, my gosh, he spent a gazillion dollars just to get into a runoff. >> i think it's an easing of the influence. the fact of the matter is, he had a clear warning sign from his former colleague, senator bob bennett. >> emphasis former. >> for who did not make it to this convery long, but i think across the board the tea party influence is probably easing a little bit, and it's more blended up into other concerns.